Gday guys....

We seem to always learn new cuts and flourishes from DVDs, have u ever came out with ur own version of sybil or cuts?

Perhaps we can brainstorm discuss abt the types of variations we can do.

Flourishing will help us be creative.. there are many variations that one can do. We have learnt the basic and seen other people's moves... im sure some of u guys have created some of ya own variations...

so perhaps we would like to share? What's ya opinion on this?

Cheers,
Brendan

hi,

i am not a very good flourisher -- so bear with me if i make any funny statement.

i usually will think from this point.
if my cuts is a real cut
how to make it false or how to keep some part in order.

so ventually we might find out some new moves n new way of cutting to make it false .. then u came out with ur own move

Sorry. I can't tell about any other stuff I have yet except for the rehearsal-requiring Aerox Cut. Not enough control and relies on some luck. I've practised it all the way, can get 90% success rate control only. I don't like that so I'm scrapping on practising it(better practise something else). Becoz... oh alright, reveal one more thing> Aerox Cut R: Your thumb just drag the top card a little(and let go) when you flip that packet. That card will be reversed between the two facedown packets. It's good for card revelation. It's quite hard switching between this and the non-R version. Unless you have a lot of time or just wanna juggle around, go ahead and try. It's a little annoying move I thought up but if you managed to control it flawlessly and consistently all the time, then you'll have a very cool tool. :)

To be honest, I am not an XCM guy here and due to Brendan's always encouraging me to take up XCM, so, he was the one that resposible of planting the obsession in me of the XCM. :P

So, I think what Brendan said I agree, there are many possibilies about flourish, it's the matter of time you invest in something and sometimes, new moves or ideas would be popped out from your mind.

Even though Brendan had showed me some of the Sybil, false cut, etc, but I always like to be "unique" which means I find some other way of evolve the particular flourish to make it suits my handling.

I just would like to be different! ;)

Andrew

Yes, after learning quite a number of flourishes, I also am moving to creating my own combos and variation to other people's cut. Andrew, its always great to create ya own cut, be it false, top stock or not false at all.

What i normally do is put an indifferent colour card on top of the deck and then start doing cuts and see where the top stock goes and try to cut it back to the top again.

I'm pretty we all had out own "moves" when we started out flourish ;)

Errr, creating your own moves and creating your own sequence of moves are different things. One is creation. The other is mixing up combos. Ya there's possibly an in between but you'll have to see how well the overall result turn out to determine whether it's a creation or just a variation.

That's true Aerox, but the topic starter mentioned:

Anyhoo, I kinda disagree with flourish making us more creative. Fast? Yes. Smooth? Yes. Improve our handling with cuts and fans and all those? Yes. Looks cool? Yes. But I have yet to see a creative flourish (the one that doesn't rely on fans, sybils, many packet cuts, etc). On XB, de'vo said it that magic can be used to enhance the overall effect of a flourish sequence, so that's something for us to think about.

XCM and flourish are different in my opinion.

I prefer the word flourish coz i beleive that tudor's and buck's cuts are much more flourishy compared to Devo XCMs.

Kam, what is a creative flourish without fans, sybils, cuts and displays?

Ace or any four card revelations or productions are also nice to watch.

I feel the only XCM move i often use is one hand cuts with the flip back. Im still working on flip back fan.

As for Jerry's... i long to learn L-cuts but i dont think ill be able to do it. I kinda know the technique but is just not working for me...

As far as fanning goes....im pretty happy with thumb and pressure. now just like to work on my one hand fan making it rounder and spread nicer. also working on my reverse fan etc.

yes, there is a difference between creating original cuts and creating variations of one's cut. For me... im created and done some variations of people's cut. I have yet to come out something original....

Most of the cuts I do are from Bucks, tudor, Kevin Ho, Harwin and Daren Yeow and Keone (i just like remix).

Well I don't think it matters much whether one thing is flourish or XCM, as both are pretty much a nice display of dexterity (don't get me wrong, you guys know me, I'm an avid flourisher :)).

But you answered my question B, when you said what yoú've done are Buck's, Tudor's, Keone's moves. And how you really wanna learn the L cuts. They ARE nice moves, nevertheless, doing them doesn't constitute the idea of "creativity", if you know what I'm saying.

The first guy who did the full 360 degree fan is creative, but the other variations are... well, creative, yea could be, but not original for sure. I hope you know what I'm trying to say.

what la u guys...... apples and oranges~

Flourish is basically a move or a cut sequence or combo
XCM is a type of show. A show full of flourishes.
No need to dispute it like those HL noobs(not meaning all of HL, just those stupid kids making bad names for HL) actually. Just some kids arguing wrongly just to spite each other making things confusing for everyone who isn't properly versed in the field.

Magic and Flourishes both can enhance each other if you put them in properly but not simply anything for anything. Need the rite stuff, rite time, rite situation. And also there maybe better and best situations as well.

and I was just pointing out that there's differences between creations and variations, letting you guys know not to get mixed up between them.