Well, I been practicing, finding the right way to produce the best result from doing "The Pass". I heard this is a must to be mastered by every card magicians. Is it True? Oz' showed his "the Classical Pass"...it was the basic move...and I saw this advert from penguinmagic...Brian Tudor if I am not mistaken...and he showed some moves using this method and he was so damn fast... so fast until our eyes can't really tell what's happening...and I have this Blaine's video...and he make that "signed" card appearing from the middle to the top using a modified "pass" mixing with a bit riffle... of course, d**b** l**t can make things easy...but how about a spectator, really saw the card while putting in the middle, then with just a small and fast movement, the card appeared on top of the deck. Do you think, "The Pass" is a must to be mastered?

No.. pass is NOT a must to master for magicians.

In fact a lot of magicians dont use passes in their routines. Most of the time.. they only show it off to other magicians.

But to laymen... neh.... unless its a misdirection kinda pass and that u dont intend spectators to be eyeing ya hands.

Remember this... a pass viewed by a cam is not the same as a pass viewed in real life. :P

So yeah.... learn the pass.. its great.... but i doubt u use it often in real life coz its just too risky and most of the time... u're surrounded.

Cheers,
Brendan

Yes and no, normally pass use a lot in gambling. ^_^

Yes, Pass is about a move and as a magician, it's no wrong for us to reseach and learn the pass. We have to learn whatever moves in magic history. Just like food for thought. Important thing is whether you will use or not in your repetoire. If you are lazy or bored doing Double Undercut or anything, use pass is very efficient when the spectator looking at you and you boom...... That's it!

As I mentioned above, card moves just like your "Arsenal" or weapons, you may learn them, so choose your weapon wisely accoding to your magic that fits in in your act. If you are not good in Pass weapon, then don't use it, use the Double-Undercut weapon. ^_^

Hope this helps,
Andrew

A newbie in magic like me, I found out few information about "pass" and hope can share here.

Beside those card cheating teach [video], I found really few magic video teach "Pass".

I found "Richard Kaufman - On the Pass" really helpful when I want to know more about pass. This video really teach a lot of ways that "pass" can be done.

If you can master pass ofcouse it is great. I think as a magician you should try all varios technic "not only pass".

Thanks fellow mmf...

No wonder there are a lot of substitution for the Pass. Hmmm...I think I found an interesting way of using this method in my own close up magic. I started to learn this Pass because it caught my eye especially when there was once I was studying magicians movement, especially in Blaine's video, showing that he inserted the card in the middle, clearly showing the face of the card and put it in the middle, with just a riffle, the card goes on top. And the rest can be guessed, as what we normally do, DL or TL...or Double undercut or shuffle and many more.But this is the part when he is doing The Pass that I can't really guess what did he do to manipulate that card to go on top. Until I remember, I have ever read through about the Pass...which explains Blaine's movement that time. Imagine if we put a card, lets say its an Ace of Spade, face up in the middle of the deck which is face down...as the spectator sees clearly that the face up card is inserted clearly in the middle of the deck, then the Pass is executed...in a flash...the card goes on top or can also be controlled to the bottom of the deck...

i guess it is possible to control it wherever u like..

people normally pass to the top.

U can try one card pass to the bottom. I cant do that.... :( lol

But why would u want it at the bottom? There are other ways to control card to the bottom. I normally just D. undercut.. lol.. im not to use to the cull method yet.

I do the invisible and le paul spread pass everyday.I mean everytime I perform card magic.Not only for amibitious card but also many of my new creations uses the pass.But yeah,invi and spread pass is very risky if performed surrounded.I usually perform to about 6 - 8 people max and they're mostly one side instead of surrounded.They are many ways to cover up while doing the pass.If I'm surrounded I'll squad down and tilt so I wont expose no matter where I'm in.Its not a must to learn the pass but if you do.It will most probably your daily,most fave move and you'll definitely add in to your routines everyday.

Hi there fellow mmf... sorry i was asking to much questions here...because I was wondering if The Pass can be used regularly especially in a routine and wanted to know the pros and cons of this move since I have just started to experiment with this move. Of course there are other ways to control a card from the middle to the top. I think what caught my attention about this move, in my oppinion is because of its simplicity. Oh by the way, controlling it to the top is what we regularly do. Controlling it to the bottom, we can do color change effect or even the card that flips out from the deck (left hand to right hand, I forgotten the name as being shown in Oz' video). Oh ya, what method or what moves do you guys normally use in order to control the card to the top, of coz...not to include the force method where the spectator chooses a card from any positition, and force them to put on top of the deck and do a DL. Maybe we can share here and while at the same time, I and other newbie here can learn. Of possible, please include the pros and cons of the moves like angle sensitive, speed required, accuracy, handling or anything like that just to share and so all of us have a very good understanding on the passing method used.

Regards

Emmanuel LWS

Emmanuel,

That would be an exposure to the forum. :mellow:

Andrew

Ouuu...ok...minus that part... sorrie. :)

There are basically 2 types of 'Pass' - Classic Pass and Hermann Pass. All the different passes you have seen are basically variation of the 2 pass above. Each variation has its pros and cons.

Master the 2 main pass first - Classic and Hermann

Then move to the different variations and be good in them too. It's because some variations are ideal for certain situations and if you are able to execute them you have just create a masterpiece miracle in the eye of the audience.

Here's my opinion -

If you are doing magic for fun and like to show it in all different kinds of places - then it is good to equip yourself with a good arsenal of techniques. You never know which techniques would come in handy and useful.

BTW - the PASS and the different variations are my favorites. I use the pass a lot.

Most of the time Herman pass is the more convincing pass and prob most effective.

But i guess we often practice the classic pass.... hehe :P

If you obssess with pass, Mongrel Pass is the best as it helps to cover during the execution of pass.

Andrew

I most of the time practice the invisible pass and used it often too.

Yes, Mongrel Pass is also like the invisible pass. You can ask more from Brendan as I showed him last time. He claimed that it looks invisible.

Mongrel Pass is not difficult as it seem!

Andrew

Screw the pass..
just do a double undercut
:D

lol!

Ooooh :o how do you "screw" a pass? I would like to learn that too :blink: :D

Pass is a beauty, well it's not necessary to know but it's important to know as well. :)

I treat all magic moves or sleights whether difficult or knacks, I will learn them because I treat them it's a waste if I don't know or learn them.

Andrew

My way is to take a screwdriver and screw the deck then do a pass.Creates more balance when doing the classic pass.lol! jk jk

now now, we have young members participating in this forum....Jarett is only 13.
:D

Hmm,how'ed you know I'm 13.Dont worry,I know how to do the pass haha.

This is how you do the pass.all you gotta do is...hold the deck in one hand,toss in the other.you gotta do it fast,coz if you didnt toss it fast enough it wont be the invisible pass haha.jk jk.Mongrel pass.gotta check that out someday.haha

Phewww! Sorry guys i didnt manage to reply recently coz' was not in front of my computer for the past few days. Hmmm....wow! Lots of pass and the most interesting is "screw the pass" .... LOL.

By the way, the variations i never heard before...Hermann...Mongrel Pass... well...I know the classic pass requires the speed so to make it invisible. Why I came out this question is because i was wondering... whether do you fellow mmf use the pass or its variations in your performance since its hard to master...but I found it quite intersting coz' instead of doing double undercut, why not just do something that is almost invisble or hopefully invisible...

Well, I did try a few movements and I dont know which variation (definitely not the classic pass) am I using and it seems invisble to the people's eye that I experimented on...can anyone help me here to explain or msg me or provide me about the variations of the pass or where can I get the resources myself. Well, at this time, I will try to find out myself about this variations..the hermann and mongrel as you fellow mentioned down here...

Thanks and regards...

Emmanuel, trying getting Randy Wakeman's DVD - 'The Pass'

He shows you both 'major pass' (classic and Hermann) and the different variations.

For me, using Straddle Grip to do passes are more faster than the normal classic pass which you use the p***y version.

I normally do Riffle Pass and yet I am still have to do it more and more faster as I have seen greatest card magician they do passes from the bad angle side, yet you still can't detect the halves switch places.

I salute to them! :)

Andrew

Yes, i use straddle grip too.

The normal grip with the pinky inside (for me) tend to drag cards out, not as clean, especially when u have sticky pinky.. hehe lol

Randy Wakeman's DVD? Cool...Ok..now I start searching it... is this from Penguinmagic or any website? ANyway, I will start my search now...thanks James Tong.

Andrew, about the Riffle Pass...maybe this is the one that I am trying mention but do not know what it is called... remember I mentioned about the pass with the riffle motion? But I am just guessing by looking at Blaine's video he is using the pass with the riffle motion...so i already mixed up with the pass and the riffle motion...so...now I am using the P***y version + RIffle Pass, I guess. Because I have no good sources for this moves...so I did my own experiment, with video and human eyes...all angles...finding teh right way to increase speed and to make it undetectable... guess my experiment will just stop here coz at last James Tong mentioned about the DVD... thanks everyone... Hope we can continue this topic during the upcoming mmf gathering...guess I think we can close this topic already...now, my next assignment, is to master the DL..coz I am using a method which is considered to be a very bad habit method...which could lead to suspicious spectator...

Thanks guys....

Hi Emmanuel,

Just learn a pass one at a time, I think all passes achieve the same thing, either control the card to the top or bottom. Nothing special actually. Perhaps different passes has its different mechanics.

I prefer Riffle pass as it provides awesome covers. But, normally pass is executed normally during you patter to the audience, that's not such big problem there. When they look at you and you just BOOM...... Pass is executed already. :)

Unless you want to be superman that does passes can be detect at all, that's exceptional case. Frankly, I saw many magicians that can do super swift passes. :o

Andrew

Yes Andrew, I agree with you... the thing I like about this is because, the time they are distracted, thats the time they didnt notice that the card had been switched top or bottom. Coz I was thinking of an effect where after it is executed, then thinking of transfer it to somewhere like my own pocket or somewher temporary of coz' by P*l***g then let them shuffle...coz' the spectator that I am facing now challenge me to let them shuffle first before I go further...so I guess you know what I mean. I wanted to make the spectator feel that they have control over the deck, or maybe ruin my magic... but then, I still have their card and know what their card is. I dont know at this moment any other way where I can let the spectator to shuffle "after" they had selected or take any card from the deck....of coz' fo***** can do this but to let them shuffle and to restore their selected card is another case. Its a bit like Card to wallet or pocket effect but the spectator have the power to shuffle the deck. Recently, I made up one effect which uses the distraction method and this RP...I dont know whether this is originally by me or maybe someone has already invented this effect. TO achieve this, I created an effect with two effect, it may sound weird...hmmm...maybe i can share this with all of you..but maybe some of you already know how to solve this... I tried this on my colleagues, friends...and I am glad of its effect on the spectators... :) I named this effect "Your card and my Magic Card"... it was based on an effect from Oz's video...Mambo no 5... so i try to combine something with this RP, and also take advantages when they are distracted when they are shuffling...at the same time they have to see us what we are doing, they want to make sure the deck is shuffled properly and hopefully the magician could not find their card...at the same time...they are distracted by one more thing...which i dont want to expose a lot here...but i think you guys who were already long time in this card magic scene...can guess what it is. :)

Hi Emmanuel,

Yes, very good ideas in there. Thanks for sharing.

Overall, I think Passes are a sheer of beauty. Many magicians said no use learning pass, I think they are actually don't know how to do them. That's why many magicins afraid of passes. :)

Andrew

Andrew,you are right.There is a magician in magic club(not an insult,just to keep in mind).I did my riffle transpo to him which includes pass.I first thought he realized I did it.And suddenly he was amazed!He said "nice!"...I was like "err...real magic right?" haha.but i dont know if he knows how to do the pass.Maybe he already knew but didnt realized I did it when while I was talking.(Its not Steven,some other guy)

Hi, long time no see to all of u ...... :)
pass is a sleight , is not a trick or routine ..... so for my opinion ..... is good tat u master all the sleights ( which is nearly imposible ) hehehe ...... so tat when comes to routining or emergency ... u can apply it .

for me i do 'pass' i do it for color change or ambitious . i will call my audience attention when i do my 'pass' cos i do it as a visual effect. If u wanna do a 'pass' just to control the lower pile to the top u need to misdirect ur audience .... cos no matter how fast or how well u can do ur pass ... its still a movent there..... ur audience may not know what exactly u r doing , BUT they know u r doing something ..... remember this " if u feel something , it is the same as u see something" :)

the conclusion is , use the 'pass' wisely :)

But While you are pattering you can do pass.that way they dont know you're doing something.

If you are learning card magic you should learn the Classic Pass or the Hermann or LePaul Turnover Pass. However I wouldn't recommend that be the first thing you learn. It would be better to concentrate on learning to do the following 10 sleights well first:


DL
Riffle Force
Double Undercut
Side Steal
Top or Bottom Palm
Jog Shuffle Control
False Cut
False Riffle Shuffle (pull through or Zarrow)
Elmsley Count
Kelly Bottom Replacement

Once you've mastered these, then learn the Pass. The Pass is powerful tool but has limitations regarding angles and noise. I use it sparingly.

Hi everyone...thanks for sharing...yes, I realize this sleight was the hardest to master. Well, the rest of the sleights mentioned are as hard as this sleight too i believe. So far, I only seen a few magicians using this sleight. Maybe this sleight is not really convenient...because of the sound it produce, sensitive angles...but as for me, so far... I was using it, quite often...none of them realize it was executed while they are being misdirected. I think this sleight only works when spectator being misdirected.

justme,

When is your emergency..? You should show them your pass as well as your sidesteal ;) Confirm jaw drop & fool everyone, even the pro.

Samuel Chong

Damn...the past few weeks I been experiencing and watching other's riffle pass especially when the cards face up....it does really look so magical....our human eyes can't process that high speed "pass" movement....I wonder how long it took them to master it and to reach that speed level.... it was a very super "color change"... most of them even show it off in youtube.com... damn.... it is a very powerful tool to control card even to do visual color change without covering the face of the card as we always cover the face of the card in erdnase color change.... gotta practice more...... oh ya...by the way....I am using the Royal deck which is washable...i dont know whether you fellow MMF ever use this card...i was just wondering whether it is ideal for normal card magic? :)

I don't do cards at all, but the guys here mostly use USPC cards, mainly Bicycle brand Playing cards..

BUt I do think using local playing cards make your effect a little bit more credible.

I treid learning basic card elseogths when I first got interested in magic a few years ago. Bought elusionist's Ninja. Learnt one fancy pass where you flipthe bottom half to the top in a flash. Found that with a split second of midsirection was all I needed. Took a long time to learn as I am actually a biy of a klutz :lol: Was quite pleased ... then more than a year later I bought my fast pack of bikes ... big difference! I could not do the pass with my bikes. I was flipping my bikes all over the place as it was so smooth compared to the standard Malaysian cards. I couldn't even shuffle properly. Pretty hilarious messes.

Since then I have been in two minds and stopped doing much with cards. I am not sure if I should even bother learning such sleights on bikes look suspciously magical. But then when I try to practice on a normal deck, it doesn't feel satisfying. Very different feel for me and when I practice on one type of deck, I can't use what I learn properly on the other ...

Yeah, yeah ... I know some will tell me that with practice it will be different but it's hard work (obviously, right! :D ) and like I said, I am a bit of a klutz with my hands ...