Anyone has any of these? I think Black widow is more versatile but need long sleeves...while subterfuge can do vanishing effect even without your shirt on...I wanna know your oppinions on these if any of you here ever use any of these devices because I am planning to purchase one of it. I know raven is easy to get around here but the other 2 is not that easy.


thanks and regards...

I like the Raven, best for me for the money.

I have both, but the raven is just easier for me.