Im more close-up magician but are they any of us that focuses on big magic or stage magic? would surely like to hear ya experiences with it.

SO, talking abt illusion is a facsinating topic to me.
Anyone interested in performing illusion?…
I just hope to find some partner to contribute some effort and money into building illusion and perform..
There are many low cost illusion such as andrew mayne illusion series..
They are in fact cost a lot cheaper than marketed ones.
Yes, they might appear fake to us magician we`ll think tat anyone could have thought of tat,
, but how bout to laymen??
The newest is exciting. Walking thru an examined barbed barrier.
Dun get me mistaken, i`m not aiming for david copperfield or siegfred and roy type of show…
I just want to do smtg tat looks grand, impressive and low cost.
I once day dreamt of a cheap but grand illusion show!!
Heres how it works,
Toward the end of the show, produce an assistant via disguise art with an ORDINARY TABLE AND CHAIR ON STAGE..( chair on the table )
Then the two dances toward the front stage where the curtain closes behind them.
Then they two kneel down toward each other and the magician perform some small manipulation tricks to impress the girl.
Then the girl puts a mask on the magician face and `KISS her on her fore head
Next the magician walk behind the curtain,with his hand still visible and open the curtain all within a sec. dun forget the curtain closed earlier.
Then when the curtain opened, we all see dancers on stage..
They dress contrasting costume than the performer and his assistant.
The assistant later wrap the magician in a big BED SHEET. (mummy illusion)
The stage went dim lit with a spotlight focusing on the wrapped magician..
Music heightens, then bursting in a subject from the door behind the hall.(in a motorcycle with helmet on). The subject jumps up onto stage and take off his helmet,, it’s the MAGICIAN!! But who is tat in the wrapping?? Then the magician unwrapped his present to find his lovely assistant instead!!
Exciting? We need a dinner table, chair, bed sheet, twins, a motorcycle, a helmet, dupe costume, and tats it?
These are all the basic things tat can be borrow and perform such big thing!!
Any comment?

Hi Eugie,

Hahaha......... No, I am not expert or pro, it's the effects that sounds like a PRO!

I have a milk tumbler, where you pour a little of milk in the cup suddenly it manipulates becomes full of milk in the tumbler, Hand produce fire (cool), handkerchief produce sticks flowers, transformation of big beer bottle into small bottle, an empty can produce lots of handkerchief in spite of you showing inside the can is totally empty.

Milk in newspaper where you guys sure will say there's something inside that can hide the water and if you turn the newspaper upside down, the water sure will pour out. I can prove you wrong as I can really turn the newspaper upside down and shake the newspaper to eliminate the idea of having such things. :)

Magic wand produces cigarettes, magic wand that make handkerchief dissapper in the newspaper with just some wave of the wand, cards in cups that changes each time the handkerchief is covered, etc.

I will advertise all these items at the 'market square' section soonly.

P/s: I think it's better to purchase from me through face to face as postal service sometimes might damage the items, as I kindly do not hoping this kind of things happen as well as all the items above I do not have instructions. It would be better to show you the functions of those stage stuffs so that you may have the idea. :)

Cheers,
Andrew

i dont really have the resources or oppurtunity to do any stage magic, but when i can i like to do a variation of the spirit room/cabinet effect for my friends. i get my friends to tie me up to a chair and lock me in an empty room. after about 5 seconds they open the door and find closed books have been opened, garbage thrown about, etc. ive even tried to light a cigarette, and that was tough. hehe.

eugie,

it sounds good except the magcian and the lovely assistant got to be around the same size. otherwise looks odd.

either small magician, or big lovely assistant :)

thats why DC's used a old lady costume with lots of layers of fabric to disguise the size (the one he spoofs "Psycho")

RAINKING!!!
U GOT TAT DC SHOW KA??
borrow me!! can???
the old lady swap for dc right??
i was hunting for tat

!!!
plz...........
contact me by next week if u can lend me tat....
tape also can....
0126653099

i used to have it on VHS but now tape mouldy and i threw it away.

sorry man.

I think it was one of the early episodes.

U can also find it in Mark Wilson Complete course in magic. No need for twins to perform that one.

Even Valentino also exposed it in breaking the magician's code (the masked executioner routine)

if i ever manage to get another copy i will let u know

For those interested in MAKING your own stage magic supplies (utilities such as the guy cut into half, briefcase cum stage table, etc), you can contact me for blueprints. I am currently doing my degree in Mechanical Engineering and I have already came up with designs for a few of the gimmicks.

I do this as a part time business and one blueprint, complete with how it will work and measurements, usually costs between RM20 and above depending on the item. The more customized it is, the more it will cost of course. Delivery of the blueprint will take around 1-2 weeks as I have to do calculations too.

Usually, I get the blueprints of gimmicks I want and just send them to a local carpenter. Its much easier that way and they usually do not charge very much. Or...you can opt to do it yourself...
Simple as that... :)

~cheers!

so, wat prop or illusions BLUEPRINTS tat u have now??
sub trunk? sawing in half?
or wat else?
how much it usually cost for a made illusion,
i knew u are not selling illusion, but i want to know how much if i were to build one from the blueprint tat i buy??

Hi,

Andrew Mayne's booklets have blueprints when you purchase his stage illusion booklet, I think the costs of making the apparatus is less than $100 as stated in the magic store site. That means costs in RM is around 380. ^_^

Andrew

Stage is fun! I might be doing this gig come May - Indian Sword Basket! :lol: It's going to be for some government body... Anyone coming to SG that time pls support! *grinz*

ning,


man, wish i could be there. never seen a lady magician in action before.

break a leg and go kick a$$

yeah man... Ning even though i was in spore and met u and all... i have not had the chance to see u perform :P

yeah, go stunt them with ya gig in May. go gal go!

LOL... if i go to malaysia, i'd really LOVE to meet up with you guys and do some jamming and makan! :lol: Last evening I had dinner in town with some of the SMC guys and it was fun...

I think in general, not many people do stage since it requires quite a bit of $$$ investment and it usually means you're a pro or semi-pro magician!

the only thing that comes remotely close to me doing a stage effect is the spirit room/cabinet illusion. the j****y r*** tie rocks. w00t!

Jim Gerrish has published a book of plans for making Illusions from inexpensive plastic PVC pipes. It's on my site at http://www.magicnook.com

P. Spellbinder

hi
have any bady got stage proforment?i'm interest to be a asistant.
i'm 185cm can do more thing to help you guy.

teo

hi there, sorry to say tat from the description of eugie abt the "illusion" i know that u have never done any show b4 :) talk abt illusion is not an easy thing . not to say today i go and order a 32000usd illusion from states , u perfrom it and u r illusionist . it is more than what u think of . thats all i can say , thank u n sorry . by the way if someone is looking for worldclass illusions in cheap price u can check this site out . www.easternillusionary.com n i know that they r selling floating table at a very cheap price , email them for more info :)

First you should be getting the kind of big shows presented on platforms or stages where illusions and large stage magic can be used. If you are always in close-up situations, there's not much point in hauling around a big prop. So book the big shows first and then the illusions will pay for themselves.

Not all illusions require big boxes. At the Academy, we teach our young Wizards to "think outside the box." A Wizard magician would never be able to explain why he needed such a prop in the first place, except for maybe a spirit cabinet as a "haunted location" for a spirit to show up. But if a huge six foot silk should suddenly just happen to appear, the Wizard always makes sure that the next step is to make an apprentice appear underneath it, if for no other reason than to carry it off stage. That's so quick and easy, fits in your pocket and requires no explanation.

em ... i think big shows only will come when u have ur profile .in order to get the profile .. u have to do a lots of small shows. if abc company will pay u rm 5000 to do an illusion show ... what can be performed.

I don't mean to disagree, but big shows do not "come to you" no matter what your "profile." You have to go out and book them, and then they come to the one who did the work.

There's an old saying: "I'm still waiting for my ship to come in." But that is going to be a long, long wait if you never sent a ship out in the first place.

Too many young magicians think magic is about learning magic and putting on shows that just happen to fall out of the money tree. No. Once you've mastered enough tricks to perform a show, the next step is to go out and get experience by booking shows for yourself all over the place.

The job of the amateur magician is to play around with magic tricks and learn every sleight and flourish in the books. The job of a professional magician is to learn about marketing and advertising and be out there constantly promoting himself. Treat magic like a hobby and it will remain a hobby. Treat magic like a business and you will reap the rewards (and headaches) of a business. It's a matter of choice and making the right decisions.

yup, i agree with spellbinder... cos thats the truth , of cos u cant sit at home and wait for shows to come , u have to go out , but as i say u have to do more small show, to gain publicity and also experience ... its hard to convince ur client without any profile .. but it will be easier if u have done quite a number of illusion shows . my point of view is , if u wanna build some simple illusion is ok. but some of it do have angle problem. if he is a hobby , its ok if he bring some own make illusions on stage , at least get the show n get paid first ..... :) but for pro , usually they wont do like tat .and they wont simply get a person to the illusion for them . cos those illusion that they bring on stage , represent them ... and also they cant afford mistakes.

yo let me intro myself..i m dickson.. hrm... i m more concentrate in illusion so maybe we can discuss about it... n about the props ... all i do it myself..my uncle will do it for me if i pass him the plan.. since he is a enginner... so anyone need my help...maybe we can discuss discuss...i m now in kl...u can call me up to yum char or watever ... 0129570093 ...hope to hear from u guys soon~~

hi dickson,

thanks for yer offer. how about introing yourself in the intro section instead.
welcome abroad :)

hi cuncoi. welcome to the board. kindly intro urself at intro section...

cuncoi , u might have those illusions plans n ur uncle might be a good enginner, but the illusion ur uncle can only sale to beginer n amatur , not for pro performer :)
illusion builder n enginner r 2 different person.

just me,

Pro performer's props built by engineers / skilled technical people too.The illusion designers design the illusions, but in the end, the product is physically built by skilled technical people.

just my unpegged RM 0.02

rainking,

yes illusion designer , design the structure of the illusion , but illusion builder that build it or u can illusion enginner , but they r usually called builder . these r pro illusion builder . other silver enginner , machanical enginner can build illusions too , but not for pro performer .. em .... u got it ?? :)

ok. :)

I've always been wondering if i could design some illusion and make it myself.

Wish i had a proper workshop and tools though. I'd like to make that "dollhouse" illusion that the masked magician exposed. looks amazing.

The whole idea of the book that Jim Gerrish has written (3 books now!) is that anybody can build Illusions from simple and inexpensive PVC pipe and Dollar Store materials. So what if they don't look like so-called "professional" Illusions built by a "professional illusion buiulder?" The pro's weren't always pro's and they had to start somewhere.



Keep in mind that this PVC Dollhouse cost less than $20 to build to this point. It just needed some final coats of paint to make it ready for performance.

The finished model is now being used by The Wiz Kids as they learn how to become pro's if that is their goal. Don't let anyone stop you or talk you out of your dream.

Spellbinder! WOW!!! Inspiring and I hiope people like Rainking who has the basic skills due to this vocation take up the challenge to make such larger props get inspired. For me I have realy difficulty with handicraft stuff. Took me half and hour just to figure out how to change the drain pipe on my bathroom sink!~ :D Then another half an hour to chnasge the pipe!
I am a klutz when it comes to making things (except for basic paper based stuff). Is it really that simple? What basic tools are needed in order to follow you design booklets? You have really piqued my interest.

BTW, what brings you over to MMS - since you are from Turkey?

woh ho ho ho hold it there.....
i don`t know there are GENUINE PSYCHIC here in mmf?(amazing!!)
wah len eh, how u know i never perform in real life oh, jah dou la...
yes i accept ur apologies and i`m really thank u for giving me great pointers,e.g. get more shows, perform more small shows, not easy as i think, these give me advice on more putting in more effort when come to dream these stuff by not just dream but research more....
and i`m very sincere to ask...
pro illusion builder? pro engineer? alamak i`m really confuse...
isn`t tat those illusion builder need to be good at engineering skills first before they can be proffesionally illusion builder?
erm....and wat abt engineers? they are good and expertise in building large stuff, e.g. stairs, cabinet, with precision...
hmm, do i say staircase? if they (engineers) need to build staircase, its a skill to calculate how stable a tat particular structure to support human. so, if u got an illusion plan for engineers? e.g to conceal a human, i think should be no problem, the safety part such as how stable the illusion to conceal a human being can be calculated by them?
plz, i really want to learn more abt it...wat draw a line between illusion builder and engineers? the illusion finishing? (how classic or how modern the appearance of the illusion) the safety?(such as escape illusions) or the knowledge to accomodate a performer`s performing style into the props itself?

:) i dun mean tat u never perform any shows b4 , but what i mean is illusion show. if u think that the illusion u build thats gonna work for u on stage n get money , y not ... go a head . but i am very sure that pro illusionist will not buy any illusion that build by a normal engineer even though he has the illusion plan .
hope u got what i am trying to say .
if u got a plan n u build illusions to sale , its ok .u can sell it to any ppl, but as i say pro illusionist wont buy it . if not david mondoza , bill smith magic ventural .....wont be building illusions already . :) so dont worry , keep up the good work n enjoy .

spellbinder:
i am do not disagree ur point , its true that u have to start somewhere . this is individual point of view . if u think that u r satisfy by carring a pvc pipe made illusion on stage n perform , is ok . as i say no offence , its just my opinion .k ?

Here's the dollhouse without it's "skin." Just pipes and corner connectors.



Basic tools to get this far were a saw, a tape measure (ruler), and pliers.

For the "skin" you would need duct tape, adhesive ( liquid or spray), scissors, and maybe some spray paint.

Rainking, and any other engineers in MMF. Think you can handle making props such as spellbinder is promoting? From the looks of it, it is not that hard for those who are adept with their hands. I think with detailed plans, there will be a number of people (though probabaly not me .. :( ) who who can quite easily build such props.

I think what is probably also needed is a decent workspace and place to store the props.

Gerrish does all the construction work in his backyard when it's not too rainy or windy. Many of the props are stored under his porch (they're made mostly of plastic). Some of the props are kept loose enough to dismantle and turn back into a bundle of pipes and a bag of connectors for transportation.

One of the illusions that I guarantee ANYONE can make is the Transfigmigration Illusion from Book 2. $10 USD for materials. Two saw cuts, no connectors, some duct tape work.

paul, spellbinder,

actually, i don wanna sound too proud here, but i think i can build some simple illusions. I did take woodworking classes in school. I'm not a structural or mechanical engineer. My discipline is electrical btw.

I live in an apartment, no backyard, no porch :) so no storage space, and because i dont perform, i dont see myself investing the time and money to build a prop. BUT if i ever do, it would be the dollhouse. :)

thanks for the insiration spellbinder.

or the mummy's cabinet from Mark Wilson Complete Course in magic.

That one cool too.. :)

yeah i get wat u mean , my friend ..sorry for late reply...just came back from singapore for business stuff .. :) hrm .... yeah i agree wat u say , pro illutionist wont buy prop from an engineer, they will go to buy from the magic shop or watever... but the price is surely more higher, n hrm.... ok like for me , the snowstorm machine , my uncle build it for me , n i perform b4 .. its a great show then... wat i m trying to say is .. i dun have to spend additional money to buy from the shop because they surely will charge u for the misc. things....n the effect is great... i think the ppl who will selling the construction plan also think tat way ...

hm...
ic
i got wat u mean now, its a valuable knowledge to share with my frens....
thx again.
no la
i wasn`t planning for illusion
just dream it when i can.

now i`m focusing physically on a classical act routine...
i`ll deal with silks, doves, parasols, canes, candles and so on..