can anyone do it? i think its a cool move.. laymen just dont believe it can it be done. it seems impossible. which way does the coin flip? towards ur thumb or away from ya thumb? i hope its away from ya thumb coz that how i practice. can only get like 5-10mm off my palm. can anyone do it?

I think I'm able to do it. But I need to use US half dollars cause I need the mills for grip

Yeah, lots of people like the US half dollars when doing the muscle pass. ive seen people doing it b4 and it just amazes me man....

I can do it, and it's a case of hand conditioning... you have to fail at the popping for about a week or two before the flesh of your thumb will be conditioned to release the coin in the air. But once you get it down, it's layman-slaying for the rest of your life, baby! :D

Huron can do it with a Singapore 5-cent coin... I've seen it with my own eyes, and it's just so freaking unbelievable. Wow.

-Kev

yeah... i saw huron doing it with the spore 5 cent coin at the SMC magic comp event. unbelivable....

which way does the coin flip? lets say u do it on ya right hand, then the coin flips/rotates to the left? or does it rotates right? i beleive different people have different ways of doing it.

I think muscle pass should be used as a utility move rather than an effect on its own. I prefer to use it when I wanna make a coin appear in an apparently empty hand.

It really depends, h_A_Z... think about it. A double lift can be used as a utility move in an ACR, or it can also blow away a crowd of laymen with a simple reveal of the card changing. It's all about when you do them... as an aside, or as an effect all on its own.

-Kev

I see what you're trying to say Kevin, but its always better to put it in a routine rather than showing sleights. That is the reason why I don't like to do flashy stuffs with cards. What's the point? To show off? To show your credibility? I prefer to do "magic" rather than showing skills. Just my 2 cents...

I respect your opinions from across the border, h_A_Z... though I disagree with the logic of the "ALWAYS". As I said before, it depends on the situation, and who you are performing for. Say, for example- a coin vanish. It can stand alone all by itself if you're doing it for a bunch of kids (or an adult audience with a similar IQ), OR you can incorporate it in a routine where the coins appear, transpose, vanish, and re-appear under the spectatator's pet labrador.

MODERATION, that's the key. Sometimes it's nice to throw a little flourish in a card routine to "showoff" before you then find the wrong card, which you THEN save the day by causing it to reveal the bigger climax. Other times, the minimal handling of the cards, coins, or whatever objects at hand is essential to selling the fact that nothing "sneaky" has been going on... say, in a powerfrul mind-reading effect.

All in all, it depends on STYLE. You cannot see the logic of doing flourishes in a magic routine the same way I cannot see the point of people listening to country music. But the fact that there are huge numbers of people doing so proves that it can't be all that bad. In the end, if it works for you... screw what the critics say, just DO it.

-Kev

MODERATION, you got the word just right. That I totally agree with you. I've seen magicians doing exceptionally ridiculously over-the-top fancy cuts and I think to myself, what is this guy trying to prove?!! Anyway you have your point about doing sleights and I respect that, but to me IMHO magic is not about sleights. Magic is about presentation. You don't have to show that you are good in magic by doing sleights. Again let me stress that I have nothing against your opinions. You may prefer to learn sleights to show your skills (which btw I respect after seeing your site. GOOD JOB!) but for me, I prefer the audience to remember me as "wow how did he do that??!" rather than "wow his good with his hands"

Alrite,
Been using this move for about 3 years now. And now its the growth of height is stagnant at about 12 inches max. But even Shoot Ogawa said that anywhere around 6 to 10 inches in height is enough to make it impressive.
Now back to using the muscle pass as a utility move. Yeah, as a matter a fact most people use it that way. It's great to shoot the coin into a topit, ditch a coin or transfer coin when doing a display etc. However, this is not exactly how audience perceive a good muscle pass.
If done correctly it should look as though the coin is leaping upwards by itself straight up and being caught by the hand on top. A muscle pass in the term of effect should be more strongly known as a "animation" effect rather than a "transposition" or a "vanish".
Here are some tips to improve the muscle pass:-

1) Make sure you hands are dry adn stay away from greasy coins. You'll never get the grip to pop it up.

2) Learn the classic palm before getting into the muscle pass.

3) Practice with a bigger coin before using the small ones. I do mine with 50 sens coins lastime..but now i can also do the 20sens.

4) Check the mirrors to see if you have the angles rite. From certain area the muscle pass would look more magical than others.

5) Keep the shooting hands as still as possible to make it look more real.

Well hope that helps. Most importantly, the muscle pass is only a 2 second trick by itself, so remember to include along other stuff to make a complete routine.

P/S : Before i end, i would love to thank John Cornelius for inventing this sleight that has revolutionised modern coin magic.

Btw: For you guys who wants instructions on this move, Geir Bratlie has great instructions on his site. Check this out at:-
"http://www.royal.no/elliot/mp.htm"

canbeef got a mean muscle pass.

canbeef : show me next time when i see you.. one of the cool coin trick in Cultural XChange II need muscle pass... plain to get some time in coins.. (but i rarely play cards anymore..shesh)

ive always wanted to learn to muscle pass. hey.. Canbeef, remember to teach me k. im lost dunno which way the coin should flip.

kk... let me explain wat i mean. assume that the coin is rested on ya right hand (the hand tat is going to do the pass). when u do it, is it suppose to flip towards the left? or is it suppose to flip right (im talking abt the coin fliping/turnover). last time i tot make more sense if turn left. but then after awhile i dunno turning right also maybe better.

im lost.. dunno wat is rite or wrong.

how does yours flip? which hand u use?

CHeers,
Brendan

I can do a muscle pass but after stopping for about 4 months,it deteriorated like hell.Guess the muscles in the palm have to endure frequent practice to maintain a move like that.I`m now back to 6 inches and able to do it 3 times max in a row.After that the muscles seem to get weak.

OI!!!!!
My muscle pass is not good leh. Dun ask me to teach ler. i not qualified enough. That's why i show u guys site to learn. hahahaha. Seriously, my muscle pass is nothing to be proud off. Dun overrate me, you guys might get dissapointed.

hey man, im not expectign you to show me a great Muscle pass dude. just wanna see the technique you use. i only can get mine max 1 inch. lol... that it. :(... thus if u can do anything beyong an inch.... i surely wont be disappointed. Even if u couldnt, im sure still can get some pointers. No worries mate.

Brenden, when I do muscle pass with my right hand, it flips left. If you are getting it to go up a little, keep going at it, it will gradually go higher. It takes a LOT of practise. I had blisters and bleeding palm for a while when I was learning it.

I do muscle pass with an "anti gravity" patter. It generally gets quite good reaction.

Great tips Canbeef. :)
Here's 1 from me:
When you are starting to learn it, practise it by putting the back of your hand on the table or your lap.
This is because as you gets frustrated, it is natural to start moving the hand up slightly when you do the pass.
THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT HABIT TO UNLEARN.
The passing hand must be as stationary as possible for the effect to look good. Specs might comment that you are "throwing" the coin up if you move it upwards, even if the movement is not enough to cause the coin to travel so far up.
So get someone to hold your wrist or place your hand on a stationary object.

Have fun blistering B)

Canbeef is too modest. Saw his muscle pass many times. Really cool (but then again like I like to say, most of the sutff eveyone does is cool to me 'cos I can't do them. :lol:

Thanx Aloy for the tips. It v hard to beleive and imagine that is possible for our palms to squeeze and pop the coin up. i just cant wait to see it.

Ive seen some SMC dudes doing it when i was in spore. But somehow no time for them to teach me.... i was too busy watching and showing card tricks and flourishes.

yeah i did practice once still blue black... but now healed.. time to get sore again... :P

Brendan

Hey, show them that move you did at the first SMC meeting where you muscle passed your chicken rice plate Aloy! :)

haha.... i can imagine how muscle passing chicken rice plate would look like and where it will be directed at and how it will land on its place of desination.

hehe,
Brendan

Digging the buried thread :ph43r:

Anyways, recently I've been practicing the muscle pass again. It's a pretty hard move, the max it can reach to as of now is about 2 inches ish. I have no idea how could it possibly be higher... anyone got any tips?

mY muscle pass also not enough higher..

maybe practise is the only one way ~

i knew how to do muscle pass when i accidently squeeze the coin in my palm and its jus flip..after watchin cultural exhange2.. where they dun teach in that dvd..
=(.then i try few times and its only go side way...//it wont go upright...y..?? wat happen..??mayb im make a mistake..can anyone make advice..? my hand got all those blister after training with muscle pass...ouch..!! =)

Hey...
u guys got the video clip for muscle pass?
I really wan to see how it done.
Thanks.

You need to keep the blister for the muscle pass. It's part of the package deal of wanting to perform it. Well, not the sore, the half healed one. Well, actually, hard skin. I don't want that so I didn't bother to learn it. If you don't mind having such a palm, go ahead and learn it. ^_^

Check it out at http://www.coinvanish.com/ and click 'video' there have pretty of coin trick video clips. At 'foundation' you will also get chance to learn how to do muscle pass.

Talk about learning a new sleight. Why you would feel easy once you've mastered a sleight, say, pressure fan? Though while you're creeping to learn how the hell the sleight (pressure fan) work, you may feel anxiety and give up eventually. You may telling yourself you're not the stuff to learn that kind of thing. Though for me it's all about your inner game. You are what you believe you are.

Just my two cents.

A little off topic but a pressure fan is not a sleight. ;)

Oh yeah pressure fan is considered as flourish. Haha how fool I am.

how u guy pop up the coin so high wif muscle pass...i have tried many time but it's not enough higher :wacko:

Practise makes well ~
Lol ..
Do mucless pass in the right way
Then you can do it !

i,ve seen this pass done by one man at Sungei Wang..it's coll....I prctice this pass alot..I think i got the technique but i cant do it so high...just about 5cm...any advise

That's Joe..the Andy Magic dude. Lol..i saw him did that it's pretty cool. Bought the vcd that teach the whole thing and almost ended up cramping my hand. It's sooooo hard...needs a lot of practice. And i'm still practicing..haha! Good luck to those who's trying, don't give up! Ajaa fighting!

i can only make a 2cm pass.. lol..


:ph43r:

This is one of those moves that require a lot of constant practice for you to be able to "pop" it in a more relaxed feeling (thus making it smoother, unlike the first few times you attempt doing it).

Know the correct way to do it, and just keep on trying hard to find the knack :)

Practicing muscles pass is like doing the cl***ic p**m.Why?I practice palming by just palming the coin all day long,when I'm studying,typing,reading.whatever.I'm constantly just palming without anybodies notice.When you just get started with the muscle pass nobody knows what you're doing .They think you just pressing against the coin but actually you're practicing something impossible.

i am able to do this with lots of practice. it's amazing.

Time to dig up an old thread!! :P

Anyone gonna get the Jay Noblezada 'Muscle Pass' Dvd? Contains tricks that goes along with the muscle pass! Now it won't just be a utility move anymore!!

Anyone?

mehh... Jay Noblezada is a gr8 teacher!. I've watched it already, And now my "MP" is Improving.

I've practice it for like 5days now, and it's starting to Pop.
At first it does not Pop, and all you gotta do is just practice!. You need to get your
Muscle tender, then your muscle will be strong enough to POP the coin.

Practice "MP" is like practicing Coin roll, you will get better it a week.