Title: Nowadays People Are Smart...
Description: They can't see yet know the techniques
Ken - November 2, 2007 12:51 PM (GMT)
Well... this is what I'm experiencing... I've been doing some tricks... some self-working and some requires D***** L***.
They can't see it but they all know that I did a D***** L***
I repeated several times and they really can't see it... but they know it. So how do I deal with them? And some other tricks... they just know the way to do it... due to YouTube and the internet... haha.
I didn't say it's D***** L*** to them... but yet I don't know what I can do to show them it is indeed single card, and when it turn over, it changes...
Well, conclusion is... they know the technique, and they are sure of it (they are right) but they can't see it. Unless I got ways to disprove them, else I don't know how to face them. Erm... they don't exactly like tell everyone (one of it does, but he gave me face and shut his mouth. :lol: ) they indeed are impressed. But I kinda... don't want this thought - "He took two cards and revealed the other... haha... he did it very smooth though" in their mind. Haha. :wacko:
VincentP - November 2, 2007 01:04 PM (GMT)
Well I'd say don't do anything that obvious with the dl, and incorporate subtle hints to them that it's not the dl in your trick to them.
E.g. When doing an acr, their card is the second from the top. Do a dl, show that it has come to the top.
Then, cut the deck, put the top card on the cut and put the rest of the deck back on it. Ask them to watch closely as their card jumps to the top (put the deck flat on your hands and do a mini bump or whatever you call it). Ask them to take the top card themselves to check that it is indeed their card.
There's another more convincing way too, the way Tommy Wonder does it in his ACR on youtube. Go watch it, the part where he turns half the deck over, slips the card out, shows that it is indeed their card and then close it back. The audience would never expect that.
A dl on its own is weak. A dl combined with other moves is great.
Ken - November 2, 2007 01:12 PM (GMT)
Yea, I know about that. I don't do DL on it's own. I make some card prediction trick, and it was shown the wrong card then put it aside and it chances to their selected card.
Hmm... thinking back... yea. They only guessed it right when I do tricks that mostly focused on DL.
Haha, you've just made me realise something... :D
Oh... ACR... well, I'm not very good at it... therefore I can't perform it yet -_-
I'll check out that Tommy video in YouTube. Thanks!
szehowe - November 2, 2007 02:05 PM (GMT)
I don't know how good your DL is so therefore i can't judge whether you exposed ur sleight or not.
Yes, i get annoyed sometimes too when ppl say "i saw u flipped over t** cards". But most of the time ppl don't notice if you do your DL properly. There is plenty of ways that don't require DL in order for you to magically change a card :) .
Hope it helps :)
Ken - November 2, 2007 02:26 PM (GMT)
Well... those who already know... saw my flaws (sometimes... sigh. Need more practice) but for those who have zero knowledge. Yea... such a nice response I got from them... :D
Most of the times I can do it without flaws... but well... since I'm not expert yet therefore I surely will accidentally exposed some edges of the other card like once in 5 tries? (Well, if I'm relax I can nail it almost all the time... but when performing... that's when things go wrong... sometimes. I'm lacking of experience in performing to live audiences. Again, need more practice... lol)
Haha. Well... I guess I must think of more tricks that will not make them focus on DL.
Jon Goh - November 2, 2007 05:24 PM (GMT)
I know exactly what you mean I've had a few people that keep saying that I actually showed them 2 cards.. At first its actually quite frustrating because I'm sure all of us practiced our DL's very hard but to be only disappointed when a laymen tells you he knows how it's done..
Well i found a few ways of doing some tricks with the DL that you can use !!!
First you could always do a T** C*****... or get a double back card...
Nowadays my deck always has a double back card for my ACR routine !!!
Hope my advice has been helpful !!!
Samuel Chong - November 3, 2007 01:41 AM (GMT)
Solution: 2nd Deal... B)
There are other solutions but this is the most direct one...
jackliw - November 3, 2007 11:36 AM (GMT)
If you think its important to prove that you have only ONE card while holding two, use KM Move.
Ken - November 3, 2007 02:17 PM (GMT)
Well, usually they'll ask to inspect the ONE card... if you don't let them touch it... they won't be convinced... that's what I think I'll come across...
KM Move? :unsure:
UGPM.
Roy Foo - November 3, 2007 03:44 PM (GMT)
Alternate Solution?
Use The Pass rather and DL,DL and DLs......
And not just the Classic Pass, learn Spread Pass, Cover Pass, Backstage Pass, Turnover Pass, etc...
Just get Professor Richard Kaufman's DVD~!
It's a real tough sleights to perfect it, but the payoffs are worth it.
Have fun and Good Luck~!
P/S: It really took me almost half a year to do it in a near flawless condition and to perform it Live. But I know some crazy people took less than 2 weeks. :o
Adlan - November 3, 2007 03:54 PM (GMT)
Stop doing card magic!
:lol: I'm kidding.
If what you described happens a lot, then maybe it's not your technique, but your presentation. Try to concentrate more on presentation as that's what turns even the crappiest trick into a magical marvel.
But then again, I'm not qualified to give you advice on card magic. I'm horrible with cards, and I personally do not like card magic.
But good luck to you! ;)
isaac - November 3, 2007 06:05 PM (GMT)
Sleight:
Pass, KM move, 2nd Deal.
Gimmick:
Svengali, force deck?
Presentation:
Misdirection (very important)
Or just get out of card, learn some mentalism from Adlan. :D :D
Isaac
Ken - November 3, 2007 06:57 PM (GMT)
Haha... will try out all the suggested methods. Thanks~
Mentalism? Perhaps I'll try if I found any that's interesting. ;)
Sukyi - November 4, 2007 03:46 AM (GMT)
If you know how to talk, you can get away with murder. They KNOW you did a DL, but there are SO MANY ways to "lie" to them and say you didn't do a DL. MCG knows how I do that. I get people calling out my DLs all the time, I still always leave them amazed with DL tricks just because I'm witty with my words.
Kam - November 4, 2007 03:47 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Samuel Chong @ Nov 3 2007, 01:41 AM) |
Solution: 2nd Deal... B)
There are other solutions but this is the most direct one... |
Probably the best solution, but you HAVE to master it before performing it.
If you'd rather stick to your DL, try seeing yourself in the mirror when you do it. See the difference between your DL and your single card turn around. And also ask yourself some question, such as how did you get the break? How did you keep the break? What do you do when trying to get the break? Which fingers do you use?
Remember, to your audience, a DL isn't even supposed to be a move.
Master the technique > Do it nonchalantly > Perform.
Muhd Hilmi - November 4, 2007 06:50 AM (GMT)
The best way is to use a very good misdirection .Otherwise as isaac said stop cards and go into mentalism or maybe coins. HAHAHAHA
Christopher Ng - November 4, 2007 09:15 AM (GMT)
Is it Sukyi?
I got fooled by your coin production only. haha
a DL, is best nt to make any attention on it, just lift it up naturally, before you do a dl, do not make them focus on the deck
simonskp - November 5, 2007 07:39 AM (GMT)
the lay people are getting smarter and smarter... this is due to all the exposure on the internet and elsewhere... thus they know when we are doing a DL or some sleight... they may not know how it is done.. but they generally have an idea on how its done... i dun like to perform to these people .. coz it seems they are out to get us.. hehe ... i prefer to perform to those that has never seen magic before...
Jon Goh - November 5, 2007 01:57 PM (GMT)
Well it's a matter of preference to which crowd you perform to.. But when you perform to those people who do have a somewhat slight knowledge of magic and actually fool them that is like the greatest feeling ever...
Most of the stuff that I usually perform to people uses the DL... (due to my lack in the skills department) If you perform in a sort of casual manner and do not draw to much attention to your DL then I don't think a laymen will notice cause bear in mind that they have no idea what your going to perform unless you are performing stuff that have been already shown on TV like David Blaine's or Criss Angel's stuff then thats when your acting skills come in...
IF a laymen actually catches you doing a DL (e.g. grabs the cards from your hand) you can always say well that has never happened before maybe the cards are a bit sticky today... (I know it might sound lame to some people but my friends usually laugh when I say that)
Sukyi - November 5, 2007 06:55 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Christopher Ng @ Nov 4 2007, 09:15 AM) |
Is it Sukyi?
I got fooled by your coin production only. haha |
lol... not what i meant...
weren't you there that day when we were in A&W(which was practically every day) talking about how you can straight up tell your audience that it wasn't a DL, after they say you just did a DL?
Christopher Ng - November 5, 2007 07:25 PM (GMT)
Sorry, suffering from short term memory loss now . haha
:P
Sukyi quick come back we go for beer, rootbeer!