You should report them so action could be taken against them.
They would be closed and banned from all the Big Magic Wholesaler that are selling to Magic Shops.
They are not only making bad buisness for other legal dealers but also for the PERFORMER that have made this one.

In Malaysia, u dont see any magic shops selling ORIGINAL DVDs. Tell me if u do.

Those who have ORIGINALS DVDS, they have to purchase them online.

Here at MMF, we encourage all members to get them ORIGINALS... but what we do individually is up to us... u cant just blame or accuse them. Seriously. I think as we become more mature as magicians, we know how much piracy is damaging the art of magic... Over the years, ive come to the realization of the impact. So, whenever i meet a newbie or a person so keen to learn magic i tell him... the websites to buy. i wont ask him to go to shops in msia to buy. Yes, u may need to pay 2-4 times the price but that's the way it ought to be.

We do NOT want the US to blacklist Msia because of this piracy problem. In fact i also hear some more bad news which i dont intend to share. Its just not the right way of doing biz.

If props.. then china made or taiwan made probs.. u wanna buy to me its ok. But u know la this cheap props or gimmicks... arent of good quality and in fact some of them clearly shows ya level of professionalism. Perform w good quality things and u gain respect... perform with low quality plastic items that breaks easily u gain less respect. hehe... (got this from Anslem.. hehe). Actually i have a number of cheap gimmicks and props.. but i dont perform with them.. i just collect haha.. lol. One by one they break the more i play with them haha.

Brendan

Que sera sera?

So, B says: MMF THINKS PIRACY BAD, but if MMF members buy Magic Ring DVD, he would not be blamed?

I got nothing against you man nor Magic Ring, but I think you might be contradicting yourself. Just trying to point that out.

Correct me if i'm wrong...

Just wondering, if you B/MMF thinks PIRACY is BAD, does that mean people/shops that sell PIRATED DVD'S are BAD?

Can we have a CLEAR and non-contradicting MMF policy on this issue? All in favour, say "AYE!".

The forever humble,

30210162

PS. Just for the record, I own pirated material. Yes, I'm ashamed of it. But I definately didn't pay Magic Ring or similar stores for it.

30210162. Please stop this kind of thread for god sake. We all know piracy isn’t ethical. But can you stop it? Or can we stop it? You can post as much as you like if you are making money out of this. I might sound bad but that’s what I think. I hope this won’t end up in another argument. Peace. We better save our time on this thing to practice harder on our magic and flourish. Have a nice day!

I think the culture of sweeping things under the carpet is immature.

I am capable of holding a discussion without being emotional which will result in "arguments".

So what's the problem there?

Ok, official stance...

MMF is against Piracy.
MMF encourages all magic lovers to get original stuff wherever possible.
MMF will not encourage or advertise for any shop/person/entity who sells pirated video.
MMF will BAN very extensively anyone who tries to use MMF resources to SELL pirated video.
MMF will NOT conduct raids on member's home to see if they have pirated videos. MMF has no right to Penalise anyone for possessing or BUYING (as opposed to Selling) pirated videos. MMF has no secret police to find out who has pirated videos.

Is that straight-forward enough?

Thanks Alloy for clarifying and making clear how MMF stand when dealing with piracy issues. Uve made it v clear there and 302, i hope it clear to u as well.

This forum is not to discuss abt piracy. if u wanna talk abt that, im sure there are many some forums out there that u can talk ya heart out and read more abt piracy.

Meanwhile we are all here to discuss wat we love doing... and piracy is not of our interest, not for me and im sure most would agree.

He has already done his part in discouraging piracy. Therefore he should not be blamed for other people's actions.

I dont' think Brandon is contradicting himself. He meant that he encourages everyone at mmf to buy originals and what ppl do is beyond his, my,and your control.

On the otehr hand, I think you are contradicting yourself. It appears to me that you have a prejudice on Magic Ring. " But i definately didn't pay Magic Ring or similar stores for it." So, owning pirated material from magic ring or similar stores is worse than owning other pirated material from elsewhere? ie. buying pirated software/file sharing is not as bad as buying pirated magic videos. ?

How do you define bad.
I wouldn't say they are bad people.Some of them are really nice people. They are just less ethical businessmen.

When the buying stops, the selling will. So supply is dependent on demand. The sellers are just one of the many sources to obtain pirated material. If they stop the selling, piracy will carry on in other forms. ie. 10 people share one dvd and burn 9 copies.

But if, there is zero demand for pirated goods, there will not be sources to obtain them. eg. nobody sells s h _ _ flavoured burgers because nobody wants to eat them but it is possible theoretically if it actually tastes good, through promotions and such, demand will grow. But what is happening here is exactly the opposite. MMF POLICY is discouraging piracy and not advertising it. The forum should notbe held liable for the member's actions.

Just wondering if you think people/shops that sell PIRATED DVD'S are BAD, does that mean the FORUM is BAD because some of their members own pirated stuff even if the FORUM's POLICY clearly discourages piracy ?

Should the father be blamed for his son's actions even though he has set a good example and done his part ?

With due respect, i think the culture of don't do what i do, do what is right is hypocrytic.

I suggest that when everything you own is 100% original and have set a role model for all of us, it is then when what you say will really have an impact on everyone.

I will remain neutral on piracy.

Thanks

funny,
for someone who is ashamed about it, you sure do seem to enjoy talking about it every chance u get.

I thank everyone for their participation.

But I would like to stress that no one answered my 2 questions.

haha LOL... have not answered? :lol:

is it worth answering? :rolleyes:

what questions?

I thought aloy spelled out the policy clearly?

You say you love the art, but you do not denounce those who destroy the art - namely those who sell pirated DVD's at RM70 a pop.

If you are consistent and sincere, you would not promote "XCM DVD's" found in Magic Ring et al.

Therefore I believe your actions are a complete contradiction to your words.

It's not personal dude, but I really hope to see MMF and the Malaysian Magik community heading in a direction that is beneficial in the long term.

Sweeping problems under the carpet gets nothing done dude.

Imagine if Dan and Dave gets pissed off with people buying pirated System's, they will won't produce System X and your granchildren would be denied of Madonna Sybil v6.12b.

That's all I'm trying to say, but you greet my good will with such hostility that I used to get as a kid on the basketball court from rival teams.

B: No matter what. We're all in the same team. I care about you, MMF and Dan & Dave dude.

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Unanswered Questions:

1. So, B says: MMF THINKS PIRACY BAD, but if MMF members buy Magic Ring DVD, he would not be blamed?

2. Just wondering, if you B/MMF thinks PIRACY is BAD, does that mean people/shops that sell PIRATED DVD'S are BAD?

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To all the B groupies, thanks for your input. I will take time to read them.

If you want to talk to me in person or punch me in the face, please do join me and some other MMF dudes in our next meeting (details pending).


Your well meaning, humble and horrible magician friend,

30210162

Then why are you biasedly against everything I say?

Maybe I don't understand the meaning of sideless. I can't find it in any dictionary.

302, if u think u can run a forum better than this, then please go ahead and start another forum. i want to see where u'll end up at.

i think its better for u to start ya own forum. there u will be in control.... so... yeah why dont u do that yeah?

i do not support magic ring, i know they sell pirated DVDs... i have not bought any DVDs from them. I never tell people to buy from them DVDs. yes i do talk to people abt magic ring but i do warn them that they are pirated. Its up to them to make decisions for themselves. I dunno wat the fuss is over that.

if u care so much abt the future of MMF, then i suggest u do ya part to solve this issue yaself. bring it up to the government man. magic is only my hobby and i have no time for all this. if u have time and if this concerns u so much... take ya own actions man.

punch u in the face? lol... why? i dont get any satisfaction out of that. man, uve met me b4, did i look like i was going to smack u? hehe. join u and other MMF dudes (who are they?) for an argument/fight.. for wat? I got better things to do dude.

I dont sweep problems under the carpet. Dude, if u think solving piracy is so so easy, it would have been solved long long time ago man. if u think u can solve it, go do it.

All the best,
Brendan

ps. yeah do take ya time to read all our comments. maybe u'll get wat we trying to say after a few reads... ^_^

this is stupid & pointless and immature.

Sorry sorry... forgot to login. Guest is me.

I am not biased with everything you say. I have logical arguments, examples, and comparisons behind my statements.

If you don't understand that word, how come you are able to quote it and accuse me of my apparent contradiction ?

Anyhow , thank you for the correction. I will edit it to accomodate your feeble mind.

I did express my views in fairly polite and unsarcastic manner and i hope you would do the same. If you want to be sarcastic i can be very sarcastic too.

Ambo nok gi gak ?
Tribal language ?
Food for thought : And you are telling me sideless is not a valid word . heh.
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Unanswered Questions:

1. So, B says: MMF THINKS PIRACY BAD, but if MMF members buy Magic Ring DVD, he would not be blamed?

2. Just wondering, if you B/MMF thinks PIRACY is BAD, does that mean people/shops that sell PIRATED DVD'S are BAD?

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Those two questions above have been answered by Aloy, IF you'd take the time to digest what he wrote. But nevertheless, if you'd like an answer in a point form with proper English, here goes buddy:

1. No blame would be placed on ANYONE for doing ANYTHING. We're not here to accuse if anyone is getting pirated materials, because alas, what we do here is to promote buying original materials. Notice the emphasis on the phrase "promote", because this is a cyber forum, and thus we have our own boundary of how far we could enforce our stance. We will not control what people do, which means that whatever a person does out there will be his/her own thing. If the person happens to buy pirated materials and brought it up on the board, it wouldn't be something we would cherish or be happy about --may be something that some of us would personally look down upon--, but there wouldn't be any blame place on that particular person. We all have encourage each other to support the magicians and original materials, what they do next is up to them.

2. Asking this question is like asking "since David Blaine is a magician, magician fools people, those who fool people are bad, then is David Blaine a bad person?". There isn't a need to label anyone anything or equate them to something that is frowned upon.

If you wanna talk about contradiction, you should check the definition of the word "polite" :)

Hope your queries are answered, buddy. Happy magic-ing!

302.. now can u c?? this thing WILL turn into something bad while u said u can handle things well. but not all of us r like u.. just stop it ok??!!! :angry: spend ur time on magic n flourish!!! not this!!!

yeah man...put your effort into magic man... you have got all your answers and how the MMF stand....cheers

I still love you as a friend. :lol:

who r u 'Guest'?? did u just say the 'F' word??
u know what.. i have the least respect for the kind of people like u.. prove that u r good in magic n thats what we wanna c!! dont just talk n talk n talk ok?!
everyone.. i dont stand on either side.. i think we all just let a dog barks n soon it will get tired (i dont refer this to anyone, just a metaphor.. ;) no hard feelings).. trust me. it works.. just stop posting n let this end. i will.. ;)

Sorry sorry... that "guest" is 30210162.

I thought all BBS has auto censorship.

Sorry sorry. Can admin please delete the F word? I scared people upset over it.

Jeff: I decline your magic challenge. I know you very good. I admit defeat.

In English, there is a saying about a more fearsome bark than its bite (or something like that).

Why must you call me a dog? Did I do something to offend you?

:( :( :( :(

We don't need a leader buddy. And if you take a look at your questions, you refer to be as "he", thus directing the question to basically anyone other than B. In short, you did not ask B specifically.

We don't need a leader or that sort of thing on MMF. Hence the the title: Fellowship.

Yes, Fellowship is the word for this forum. Lets all work together for the better of this forum.

Cheers!
Brendan