anyone doing stage or planning to do stage manipulation routine??
shit man,
seldom see malaysian do a fantastically choreographed stage manipulation routine!
i`m actually planning a 4 minutes routine combining cane, dove, chinese fan........
hope there is some one out there can help out!

Hi EuGie,

I see. I have a few stage props like Chinese fan with confetti, can produce fire, torn and restored newspaper effects, etc, are you interested???

As I am not really into stage effects so I decided to sell it off and there are in perfect condition.

Do contact me if you any info, thanks! :)

Best,
Andrew Loh

Hi Eugie,

What are the effects you would like to perform???

Usually the Chinese fan you mentioned, is it papers fan become confetti? Usually this effect is arranged at the end of the show.

I would like to hear more of your stage effects from you. ;)

Best,
Andrew

Eugie : You need any assistant ?? well, I'm sure the people will be damn amazed, when u not only can make magik on slim sexy hot babe... but a "tua bui" like me... LoL...

hahahahaha............... :lol:

wah... stage magic with all the props... not easy man. u sound kinda pro.... u have doves? how are they as pets? lol

WAT U MEAN CAN PRODUCE FIRE??
aiyak, from wat i read ur magic experience is so damn good la,
but ur interpretation of wat u are trying to say makes me PENING!!
wat is tat?
the fan is a fiery fan ka??
or it is another prop tat produce fire..
this is the routine i plan lo
LISTEN....
cane appearance,
flash silk production
dove production
scarf to big silk
parasol from silk
mouth coil
chinese fan from coil
snowstorm from coil end.
taadaa!!
so plz guys, i need ur creativity..
ur suggestion is mostly appreciated.

I"m not into stage magic...but I would say these 2 are the practical and inexpensive tricks that I know of (with my limited knowledge on stage magic!)

1. Torn & Restored Newspaper...this is awesome seriously....
2. Appearing wine glass....
This is shown in Flicking Fingers DVD..the first trick I think....A good opener!

Yeah! How about pouring milk in newspaper and make the milk completely gone.

You can turn the newspaper upside down and shake the newspaper, which you really make the milk gone!! :P

Andrew

Manipulation effect are like:
Cane manipulation
Dove manipulation
Card manipulation
Linking rings
Billiard balls manipulation
Silks
Wands manipulation
Fans manipulation
Parasols manipulation
Coins manipulation
.......

Mouth coil, streamer, snowstorm, confetti....aren't manipulation effect because you don't even manipulate them at all. They are just effects that enhance your routine.

Well, hahaha............. Monte, we have another sife in stage magic. :D

Hmmmmmmmm.............. Well, I am not really into this stuffs and maybe what you said rings true. ;)

Andrew

wat ever u say la....
but i do have some of the items u listed in ur list...
double check...
i met with yun fei tat day and he encourage me to plan a routine on a card manipulation routine...
hmm.... i wonder who else have the SPIRIT to plan a card manipulation routine?
i believe many of u guys out there got mcbride card manipulation CD, but how many of u really put effort into practicing those sleights?
any 1 into tis?

Long time no see. Card manipulation ar.... Check out card flourish section. I think nobody created routine for card manipulation shows yet. But in time, there will be. Just not so soon.

Check out Paul Gertner's Feathers Manupulation Act in his Steel and Silver Live! It SEEMS manupulating feathers are much easier compare to cards, coins and billiard balls.

i love watching manipulation but I'm not practicing any.
I'm way too beginner and sticking with the basics at the moment.
I really respect u guys who do manipulation, awesome really.


eugie, would love to see ur card manipulation act.


the most memorable manipulation act for me was by this if i'm not mistaken german guy who did a manipulation routine with bells in one of the Worlds Greatest Magic shows...

Rainking,

You meant that guy who did wands manipulation follow by bells, is it??
If it is then his name is Topaz.

Samuel ScMonte

yeah man,...

i loved his routine....then he turned around and produced a electric guitar...

what a finish..

Except for the production part, the manipulation part is a pack small play big routine.

hey, guys, stop admiring others and start to do smtg abt urself...
if u kinda interested in creating at least a short routine, make sure u got some sleights handy tat u can really do., no need to learn ALL kinds of sleights in the world to impress ur audience.. remember, ur audience wont think like: wow!! he produce cards with interlock production with such ease!! or maybe they say walao!! wat a deceptive back palm...!!!
NO NO NO!!!
JUST A FEW SLEIGHTS LEARNT, is handy to create a short sequence manipulation routine....
now u got ur sleights ready, go get ur favourite music.. the one tat will never bore u at any time..
listen listen and listen....
feel the mood and the ups and downs of the music itself??good...
now write down and list down the sleights u can do best wih the selected objects,e,g, cards..
then u arrange the sequence of the movements...tats it...
works for me hope it works for u too...
PM me if i are keen to practice together a manipulation routine...
never have low self esteem in urself and in ur magic...
me too a learner till my old days in the future...
oh, btw, get ur fav costume tat suits the mood u want to portray to ur audience also!!
heres my number if u wish to meet me, 012 665 3099.. i wish to meet manipulator also!!!
GOOD LUCK!!!

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andersonchow,

>>Malaysia Magic Fellowship->Let's talk about Magic->Magic Principles and Theories
Weird!! I can't find that forum.

ScMonte

Found it.

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HeY guys ,
Can i join in ..
I juz started to learn card manipulation ..

What do you all will suggest on beginner ?

Casper

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Hi andersonchow,

great to hear you ..

Hmm.. Now i am learning for those use back palm..
palm one for few cards .. To make card production
Any suggestion ?

Thx
Casper

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Hehe , thanks for your advise =)

erm... I dont have manipulation card and i dono where to get it beside on9 store .. So i am using normal bike( used ) and also some local card to practise , because the card will be more soft and easier to palm ..

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oh ya ..
Bike are hard and large.
I need softer card to do maniputlation ..
Hrm....
Bee do softer ? if they are I will try it ..
Thanks

where to get manipulation card like norm nielsen / jeff mcbride cards ?

Casper

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wat is crap??hmm...
i knew and i witness there some local malaysian manipulators,,,
my god wat magical fingers they got...
AC bike decks tat have been break-in can be used..
and they prove to me tat its really possible to perform card manipulation routine with normal bike cards...
the only problem is that u cant back palm as much as thin manipulator cards,,
wat is happening now is that u make me felt like u are saying, i am business man, rich one, i want just the best computers and the most expensive merz for my company.....
u think there is a difference if some one can produce 52 cards continuosly with one hand and a person who choreograph an act well with normal bike decks?

>wat is crap??hmm...

That was in relation to the "all size fits all" mentality I was talking about. Read my post properly.

>and they prove to me tat its really possible to perform card manipulation routine
>with normal bike cards...

I don't believe I said anywhere in my post that it was not possible. The most I said was "no good" as in "not right for the job", but I didn't think that would be misconstrued to mean "impossible". That's really stretching it.

>u think there is a difference if some one can produce 52 cards continuosly with one >hand and a person who choreograph an act well with normal bike decks?
>the only problem is that u cant back palm as much as thin manipulator cards

You already answered your own question.

Let me simplify it for you and sum it up in one word - PREFERENCE! Just like using a Bike and Bee deck to do an Elmsley for a Twisting the Aces routine. Can be done with a Bee, sure. But why when you can do it with a Bike and reduce detection because of the corners? I can go on and on with examples, but you are a big boy. Do your homework.

Here's an analogy for you. Say you had to get a nail in a board. If you didn't have a hammer, and all you had was a screwdriver, it's still possible to get it in. You could use a screwdriver to hammer in a nail if you know how. If you don't have both, still not impossible. You can whack it into the board by slamming it against a hard floor, and so on and so forth. Question is, if you had both a hammer and a screwdriver, and needed to hammer in a nail, which would you have preferred to use or feel would be the right tool for the right job? If you tell me screwdriver or the floor method, then I say you are being an idiot and you are wasting my time.

>wat is happening now is that u make me felt like u are saying, i am business man,
>rich one, i want just the best computers and the most expensive merz for my
>company.....

I suggest you go seek help or something. Do you have some insecure issues in your life that are making you feel this way? I am serious. You don't know me in person, and if you do, as harsh as I am in some things, I am not even close to what you are portraying me as. Incredible what words alone can do sometimes.

Either way, disagree with me all you want. I believe I am entitled to my opinion on the board (no pun intended. Heh!). Same with you. If you want to go palm Bikes, go ahead. I have done it before with both Poker and Bridge Bikes, and Poker Bees. But I am a pragmatist. It's just my personal preference with thinner cards for my manipulation routine, the same with some of the the other guys and their manipulation routines like Norm Nielsen, Juliana Chen, etc. So go do what you want. It's your life.

ever realize tat urstuff sounds boastful??
just be truthful here, u want teach, teach humbly, dun say stuff other ppl using is crap and no good.
i mean the way u saying
i believe u are a good manipulator. I STRONGLY BELIEVE
but the way u preach newbies makes me uncomfort....

u say the word crap incidentally implies to those using other cards are craps.
and how u define wat u saying that its matter of personal preferances??
u already not respecting other preferances..



While some people think you should be able to use any cards to do whatever you need to do, I think that's a whole load of crap
(this sentence of urs implies that its crap to use any other cards, and also here, u are not respecting people`s opinion)

Bikes are no good for the stuff you are doing.
wat u mean personal preferances when u are preaching a newbie to learn this fact?no good???

replying with a loooooong post doesn`t do much good..u only creates more and more conflict....yes i know i started this
but my intention was to tell u that its not nice to say wat u said

BEING A GOOD MAGICIAN IS NOT ENUF, being humble is more than enuf.
if u r humble in ur post i will shut up,,
ok?
i`m a newbie too, i respect people who r fresher than me and more expert than me. provided its a 2 way process.
dun be a squaking Polly here.

EuGie, I like your style [No related on supporting what you had said but your style].

Did you read properly what I wrote and give it some thought? Or did you just
skim through, got pissed, and immediately wrote a reply while being emotionally charged?

Normally I wouldn't bother replying if this is rambling coming from a newbie. Not that I look down on newbies. It's simply because no matter what I or any other experienced guys say, you have already made up your minds. I have experienced far too many similar cases, and it gets tiring. So after awhile, we just shut up and let you be your bad, righteous self. After all, we know you are eventually gonna get burned, and if that is the path you choose, then you will have to learn it the hard way. I am tempted to do the same here.

But in your case, I am going to make a rare exception. Why? Because I have a nice little break right now, and my fingers can use some exercise on the keyboard!

1st DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT LOOK DOWN ON NEWBIES!

2nd DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT THINK ALL NEWBIES ARE BAD! JUST LIKE I DO NOT THINK ALL ORANGES AND APPLES ARE BAD.

3rd DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT HATE FRUITS. THE ABOVE IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.

4th DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT IMPLYING THAT NEWBIES ARE FRUITY IN ANY WAY.

>ever realize tat urstuff sounds boastful??

Unfortunately, I don't. That's the problem when it comes to writing. I cannot control how you, or anybody else for that matter, choose to interpret what I write. No matter how things are written, someone is going take offense to it in some way or another. I can't please the whole world, just like you can't expect everybody to be WOWed with every trick you do! It's a fact of life. Live with it.

5th DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A BOASTFUL GUY.

>just be truthful here, u want teach, teach humbly, dun say stuff other ppl
>using is crap and no good.

You have got to be joking here. I am already honest to the point of being blunt and harsh. Maybe my teaching/advice style is a little bit different, but my intention has always been good. I am not Michael Ammar. If you can't handle it, move on.

6th DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT MICHAEL AMMAR.

Again, I NEVER SAID the prop was crap! I said the THINKING was crap (and since
this is a forum, with all due respect, the most I would go is the word "crap". In real life here, I would use far FAR worse language). I am NOT going to repeat this again. Either read my post properly, or don't reply.

7th DISCLAIMER: I AM BLUNT, BUT MY INTENTIONS ARE NOBLE.

>i believe u are a good manipulator. I STRONGLY BELIEVE
>but the way u preach newbies makes me uncomfort....

Can't help you there. I already told you to seek help. I still think you have some insecure issues in your life you need to deal with. Then again, I suppose you would prefer to live in denial.

I don't think it is any surprise by now I come across as sometimes blunt and
outright harsh in some of my posts (just ask Brendan). I don't do it to put people down. It's just me. If you want words with sugar-coating, ignore me and look for another. If you can't even deal with me on here, I don't know how you are going to deal with your patrons face-to-face in the future. And believe me, you will meet FAR WORSE and FAR OUTRIGHT-IN-YOUR-FACE people than me out there. So good luck ahead of time.

8th DISCLAIMER: IT IS NEVER MY INTENTION TO PUT ANOTHER DOWN ON THIS BOARD (hey, I have better things to do!). IF YOU SOMEHOW FEEL SLIGHTED IN ANYWAY BY ANY OF MY POSTS, I DO NOT APOLOGIZE. ALL I CAN SAY IS, SUCK IT UP AND MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE.

>u say the word crap incidentally implies to those using other cards are craps.
>and how u define wat u saying that its matter of personal preferances??
>u already not respecting other preferances..
>While some people think you should be able to use any cards to do whatever
>you need to do, I think that's a whole load of crap
>(this sentence of urs implies that its crap to use any other cards, and also
>here, u are not respecting people`s opinion)

I have already explained this above. Scroll up and read.

Besides, didn't I already say go do what you want? I already said TWO THINGS.

1) If you want to go palm Bikes, go ahead.
2) So go do what you want. It's your life.

I didn't put a gun to your head now and say "Hey, either USE MY preferences, or I am going to blow your brains off!" now did I? I will say this one more time. If you want to use Bikes for your manipulation routine on stage, go ahead. I don't recommend it, but hey, it's YOUR preference, YOUR performance, YOUR show, hence YOUR life. There, I just spelled it out for you.

At this point, I really am beginning to think you have just skimmed through my post.

>Bikes are no good for the stuff you are doing.
>wat u mean personal preferances when u are preaching a newbie to learn this
>fact?no good???

Hey, instead of trying to shoot me down on everything I say, maybe you could have just simply asked me to elaborate. That post was short. It didn't work now did it? See?

>replying with a loooooong post doesn`t do much good..u only creates more and
>more conflict....yes i know i started this but my intention was to tell u
>that its not nice to say wat u said

What is WRONG with you? The only reason why the post is so long is because I took the time to try to explain it to you. I guess short explanations didn't work (see above). Now long explanations also don't work with you. This is a classic example. You are right it doesn't do much good. Because no matter what I say, you have already made up your mind long before I even posted. So typical.

I know your intention was well in letting me know about what was nice and not nice about my posts. Thank you. But I also realize I am not in a popularity contest here. If I have to choose between being popular, or simply giving you the blunt facts no matter how much it hurts and how unpopular it's going to make me look, I won't think twice about going with the second.

>BEING A GOOD MAGICIAN IS NOT ENUF, being humble is more than enuf. if u r
>humble in ur post i will shut up, ok?

I guess it's coming down to blackmail now, eh? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

9th DISCLAIMER: NO, I AM NOT LOOKING DOWN ON YOU.

>i`m a newbie too, i respect people who r fresher than me and more expert than
>me. provided its a 2 way process. dun be a squaking Polly here.

If you are a newbie, it will do you good to read and RE-READ what some of the more experienced people are saying. Stop being so defensive and taking everything so personally. Give people the benefit of the doubt here. Read it from different perspectives. I wouldn't simply say something for no reason, or worse, from no experience.

Go find out yourself why I say certain things. Don't ask me. Do your own homework like I said. If you are just going to nitpick on every detail I wrote and let your emotions take control, you are not going to learn anything and I am also wasting my time. And I am not going to spoon-feed you, or hand you anything on a silver platter either. Don't forget I was a newbie once like you too. I did my homework, and there's still plenty more to go.

I guess my fingers had enough practice on the keyboard for the time-being. Off to practice.

you should just do what you wrote, anderson, not only in magic but in everyday life we always meet people who are self righteous....no point telling them, waste of time and they will not listen, but get blamed in return...just let them make their own mistakes and learn from it....

~bye!~

Hey, no need to fight.

Anyway, the cards.... if you can use any of them and able to have consistent flawless handlings 95% of the time then that's good la. If not good enough, then get the manipulation cards (which makes things easier for newbies) la! Well, mostly if you want use special, eye-attracting decks(like Tigers, hehehe thicker and harder, anyone up to the challenge? Hmm... ya it drains more energy so also depends how long u want to perform) and u can do it flawlessly then go for it (la)! It also means I'll produce Tigers and Ghosts out of my hands, cooler than dumb boring old squigly designs...... :P

Yes it's also the right tools... but for average cardworker who doesn't want to spend more time training on it..... aka satisfactory.

For the advanced worker, no limits..... RAWR!

Very hard but not impossible like how some top professional chooses plastic cards as their handling choice/ specialty. So this means you have a choice of

easier and more consistent performance but boring old cards
VS
harder and possibly less consistent but cooler production

ROUND 1 .....MAKE UP YOUR MIND! :P

andersonchow's disclaimers are some of the funniest things I've read!