Is real magic really existed? Instead of trick, trick, trick, can we really do real magic? I'm curious now.

Without IT can we really make a thing floating? Without sleight of hand can we really make a card changing? Without cold reading can we really tell somebody's future and past? Without gimmick can we really make a spoon blending? Have you ever think about it?

What make you bought your first trick? Yes, part of them is because you wanted to know the secret and the other part of them is you just hope could gain some real magical power. Though until today all your preception has changed dramatically coz you've realised that all you do is not real magic but just a trick. You don't believe real magic anymore; all you see is just a trick, scam and deception. Not such thing as real magic.

Wow, though I believe real magic indeed exist.

Hello forestlim,

Whatever words you want to use to describe 'real magic' - yes it exists!

In my professional career I have witness unbelievable things - good news is I have made friends with some of these people and the bad news is they discourage people from going into it.

Basically there are a few different categories -

1) People that are born with these super-natural abilities - they can do awesome things with what is given them

2) People that have developed these abilities - I consider them 'partially-gifted' - they were shown the proper way to develop them.

3) People that are experts in the abilities of the sub-conscious mind and the awesome power of the human body.

4) People that are involved with spiritism - depending on which geographical locations they are from - there practice different things - and there is a heavy price to pay for going into it.

E.g in witchcraft - people can actually become invisible and other people can walk pass them or they can walk through walls, etc.

My suggestion is, based on what I have witnessed and advised by some of the above people, --- stick to what we are doing - the art of conjuring, manipulative skills, etc.

Just sharing what I have witnessed an experienced.

Cheers

yes i agree with James, why wanna get into the spirit kinda stuff when u can easily amaze ya audience with what we already do?

ever since i got into magic, ive been warned by some leaders of mine to becareful. till this day i can still amaze them with the normal sleight of hand magic. Some even the B. levitation, they think its real magic. lol.... ive told them dont worry man... im not into that kinda stuff and i dont intend to.

yes i prefer to have skills over gifts. gifts is not u urself doing the miricle as u are inviting other source into ya body to make the miricle happen. it is scary and people will be afraid. on the other side, if u have skills and people know u have the skills to amaze them.... u get the credit and ya audience get entertained.

That's just my opinion,
Brendan

If you have the opportunity of going to Indonesia, ask for debus. It's one hell of a crazy art, and if you know where to look, the practice real magic kinda stuff.

I witnessed a head of a boy is chopped off with just a blade and the boy is laid down on a VERY simple 4 legged tables, there's absolutely nothing underneath (cus it's visible all the time, and it was a close up thing too, we were 4-5 feet away from the "magician"). the boy smiles, while his head is separated from his body, then the magician use coconut water to put the head back.

Messed up, I tell ya.

SHESH... serious ?? wow......... thats.... scary~


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i dunno.. but i found this site...
http://www.paranormal.or.id/article.php?si...order=0&thold=0

Love is Magical....

Just curious, what is the price to pay for going into it?
and, is it possible to get out of it, once we are into it?

Theres a show, by Steven Fung, the HK Actor.. street style magic show.. to raise fund for charity .org. the title is "Life is Magical"

Hello mclarenf1,

The price you pay is usually with one's life - sacrifice of something in your life you will not be told of - only after you have been initiated.

If one is lucky he/she may be able to get out of it but most could not. In fact their life changed after that - not for the better - even after you have those skills.

It is better to stick to what we are doing.

Cheers

hi there,

What Jamestong has said is very very true. And the categories are very well divided.

These two from what I feel is the most safest way if you would like to try to develop those magical powers.

2) People that have developed these abilities - I consider them 'partially-gifted' - they were shown the proper way to develop them.

3) People that are experts in the abilities of the sub-conscious mind and the awesome power of the human body.

These two as explained can be developed and it depends on individuals and their capabilities. It would not be easy and it takes a long time, years or even you will never succeed in it. I known people who can light candles and matches and levitate things without any props. You can feel a sense of energy or just something around you when that is happening. I cannot explain the feelings, but you can just feel them. Example like indians; they can easily walk on red hot charcoal for minutes or hours without burning their feet.
Have any of you heard of Anthony Robbins, in his seminar 'Unleash the Power Within', there is a session where you walk through 5 metres of red hot charcoal and you don't get burn. I went to his seminar and walk on the charcoal, and believe it or not, around 3000 walk over and only like around 20 got their feet burned. Try reading it up in the net.

For those gifted, they are just naturally born with it.

Witchcraft, Voodoo and Spiritism, those stuff as very real. But once you are into it, as James mentioned, you need to give up something. Not only that, you usually cannot get out of it. Just stay away from this part...

Just some views from me..

Cheers,
Jeremy

As I know that walking through a red hot charcoal is not magic. It's all about NLP. Though, somehow if NLP is being properly utilized it indeed can creates real magic. Think about kentonism. (Kenton's wonder word has a lot of NLP skill)

I did read a report stated that Qi Gong is near real magic. And to practise Qi Gong indeed is practising how to use your inner power. Yeah, right, what I call it as real magic indeed is how to utilise our inner power. Albert Einstein only exerted 5% out of his brilliant brain. Wow, how about 95%?

the human mind just amazes me, it's so near yet so far, we still cannot explore the fullest of its potential, imagine using 100%, well I cannot visualize what can we do....

I'm a Japanese anime manga freak... has anyone seen AKIRA? It shows the extent of which how many things are possible if we actually are able to harness the full 100% of the power of our mind. Scary stuff if you don't know how to control this and become megalomaniacal.

I believe there are other things in this world and universe that defies explaination. Spirits, ghosts, black magic is very real. Denouncing that these things do not exist would be so pompous and narrowminded really...

Since young I've been taught to respect others and treat them with kindness accordingly. There's this thing called karma and you will pay the price for any wrong-doings. Maybe not instantly, but eventually. So, I wouldn't dabble in the black arts even if it 'grants' money, love or instant gratification.

Let's just keep magic good clean fun where everyone enjoys it and there isn't any dark price to pay, eh? ;)

My 2 scotch and soda cents worth,
Ms Ning :lol:

me, I am a sceptic most of the time. yeah, MOST of the time.
I am sceptical of the unexplained is done for money or fame. I believe most of these are charlatans/conmen. There could be a rare handful which are real,...but almost amything nowadays can be faked if u know how.

The ilmu kebal (invunerability) that silat practitioners claim to be able to achieve, psychics, famous psychic spoon bender, TV footage of ghost caught on film..., psychic surgery, crop circles... all can be explained without resorting to the supernatural.

But i do not dismiss there is a possibility...the truth is out there (cue X-files theme)


Ning,

Akira is a wierd show. Maybe we can forum about what the ending is all about some day. Akira is the boy whose parts are in the jars? (OFF TOPIC !!!)

try reading this article. I don't know what to make of it.
real spoon bending?

http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/94/127/01_3_m.html

this website even teaches how to bend it step by step.

http://www.fork-you.com/

LOL... Nice URLs Rainking *grin* I've been to the fork-you.com website quite some time ago :) Just wondering, has anyone here read this?

ning,

maybe andrew might have. :D

I was in a Petaling Jaya magic school once and the guys told me that they actually had a customer came in to learn "real" magic.

What happened was he paid for the magic course and then when they started teaching him some coin tricks, he asked to learn how to "really make the coin vanish". When he was told that everything is just a trick or illusion, he demanded his money back. Kinda funny! ;)

haha lol.. Alex, that was funny hehe.

wanna learn real magic? lol... then u would have to be into the spiritual stuff man... stay away from it.

sleight of hand magic zzzzzzz best.

hey ning,

here's a link to read the book. You can choose to read it in Victorian English or modern english. Just click on the appropriate link.

http://www.conjuror.com/archives/

sorry, manglish and singlish not included. :D

Unbeknownst to the world, the great real liar i mean conjuror Mr. WTHHTK is actually a REAL magician. He opens class from the first day of the week till the 8th day of the week. Categorized into three classes:

1. Dumb class: Join this class if you don't know anything about real magic.
2. Dumber class: This class is for those who think real magic can be acquired easily.
3. Ihavenoideawhattotellyouotherthanyourejustthedumbestpersonthereis class: This is for YOU! :D

For just a blank check, we'll teach you how to fly, disappear, eat forks, eat spikes, eat noodles, eat anything you want! And of course:

noMONEY BACK GUARANTEE!

I personally believe that magical powers exist but I don't believe most of the people who claim they have it. But I do believe in miracles too. It's God's gift to the special few.

If u do not believe, then how do u perform your 'tricks'? Which is better? Show your magic as if they were real or telling your audience your doing a 'trick'? Blaine was famous because he performed magic like he's mystical, isn't it.

It's the masses belief in magical powers that enhanced our magical feats.

Just personally, k.

HAHAH you guys are sad. Spiritualism is not bad in any way. And as for Sacrificing somehtign for witchcraft. HAH its totaly false. Black magick isnt nessecarilly evil. the term black comes form the spirit conjuring portion which is Hell Gods. white magick summons angels. Voodoo. is not bad in certain ways you do it. nothing is bad unles you uintent to do somethign bad with it. i know this because i practise all of it.

Leftinthedark, perhaps you would like to tell us abit more abt yaself at the intro section. TQ

watched VENOM yest in WAN U .. the movie is something related with Voodo.. but.. sucks... group of chicks died until the last one left and killed the zoombie.. that explain why its rated D+ :S

leftinthedark,

i think you are in the wrong kind of "magic" forum. We're the "Pull a Rabbit out of a Top Hat" kind of magic. :)

LMAO... rainking..good one there....

afoi,

i wasnt joking that time.
It really is a different ball game altogether.

We don't heal people, we don't curse people except the occasional heckler with the hokkien niamaka******* spell ( now i'm joking :P ), we don't summon spirits, and we don't exorcise demons...and we're not as sexy as Rose Mcgowan...

YOU MEAN ALL THESE COWS ARE FOR NOTHING NOW?!?!??!?!










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i thot we were culling to prevent Mad Cow disease?

hehe.... this is so off-topic....

get back to the topic guys LOL....

and yeah i only wanna play sleight of hands magic nothin else... :P

Real Magic? For me, I dare not to say that there is no such thing as real magic as this is almost the same as asking myself whether I believe in God or not. Well I do believe of course. Its a spiritual thing. In my oppinion, the thing we do here or the skills that we gained to entertained people, our ability to trick people's eyes and mind with our skills of misdirections, is considered to be Magic.

Magic is Skills...

A lot of magics happened around us...just like in football, people who can score goals and become top scorer, is considered to be magic because of his skills. People who can solve complicated or complex maths questions, is considered to have a magical mind because he really worked hard and is gifted with the ability to learn fast... We human are already considered magic...as we have the ability to create and destroy... so for magicians, illusionist, they are themselves are actually already part of Magic that exist in this world, as they really use their skills to entertain, to amaze people, to show something impossible is possible. Where and how do magicians learn the skills? Thanks to the MAGIC of our MIND which can create, invent, experience, study things.... and this is what I called real magic as God has given to us. (Wow!!! I sounded so spiritual....hheheheh!) :D

Think of this, Scientist is also one of the best magicians...they can create or invent new things...heal people with their newly found medicine, invented aeroplanes as first human originally thought it was impossible...human reached the moon...this is all magic...but do we normal people here know how to do those? So, can we see the link here? "Scientist" and "Magicians" ???

Elws,

I thought your post was most enlightening. That's the way I think about magic. Everything can be magical, from the color of flowers, to lightning striking a tree.

What is MAGIC?

The answer : Everything.

i've got to admit that people have asked me if there's such thing as real magic...
i tend to answer them saying "there... you didn't see what i just did meh?"... but on a more serious note... occasionally, i get into a serious talk about it... and by real magic, you know they mean magic that's not just an illusion... they mean something supernatural... so... personally, i don't believe in it... but that's just a personal stand... no offence to anyone else...

the other day... one of my cell members(church cell) asked me if people use deamonic ways to make stuff float... since i know how cards float... i laughed a little and said "no no... that one for sure isn't deamonic"... but is there really some sort of deamonic thing involved in certain kinds of magic?

there IS real magic.
And dont play with it. It's very different from OUR vanish/ levitation
And there is witch doctors in Malaysia. We CAN tell the difference between MagicK and magic, since we are practicing magic.
I used to be very into this freakin thing but i quit after talking to my friends from africa. They are educated science student but they believed and told me tons of story that happened to them bout magick/ witch doctor or real magic.

Sometimes it is easier to just use illusions rather than magic. Less problems :P or entertainer ...

lol...i kinda agree with paul long...
i mean... why get involved in REAL magicK and get in trouble when magic is hassle free... :P

Magic to me that I like is using sleights... be it of the hands or of the mind.... haha baalan... u gotta teach me that bro...

Using the term Illusionist to me kinda says im using big props.. coz i dont think close up magicians regard themselves as illusionist. They call themselves magicians. Only guys like David Copperfield, JC Sum... and other magicians...especially stage ones using big props and showgals etc are more likely to say what they do are illusions.

As far as I enjoy magic... i love watching that doing tricks that involves sleights.

I like watching sleights, I just don't like doing em. haha. I have clumsy fingers.